Luxury Cars Over 100k

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I took out "geriatric" and wrote "American" instead, since it sounds degrading and unprofessional. Lithdoc 20:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

In what country is this a legal term? Rmhermen 00:56 24 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I believe its some sort of legal term in the United States, both for tax and insurance purposes. But, then again, I am a lifetime supporter of the internal combustion boycott; so I don't have a car and don't really know. Pizza Puzzle

This is a strange little article, really just a stub, and needs revising. I don't know why sports cars are listed here, and I doggone sure wouldn't call a Humvee one. "Luxury car" in the US, as far as I know, just refers to a vehicle marketed to buyers who favor comfort over economy or performance. I've never heard of a luxury car tax. There is a gas guzzler tax, but it usually falls on performance models. RivGuySC 03:04, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

The luxury was removed by the Clinton Administartion and the Gas Guzzler Tax applies to all gas guzzling cars regarding whether or not luxury. Gerdbrendel 02:58, 8 November 2005 (UTC)


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Who made up these standards?

I find it hard to believe that some of the "makes" listed fall under the "Luxury Category." Chrysler, Buick and Volvo? --Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.150.36.233 (talk) 00:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


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Paying for the Emblem (BMW example)

"For example, because of its prestige, the BMW 3 Series might cost more than the same car if it was sold under a non-luxury marque"

  • I think this is the least appropriate example to give. The engine technology, no front-wheel drive and overall build quality make the 3 series (and probably all BMW's) one of the (if not "the") top cars in its segment, regardless of the badge. An example about platform-sharing cars would be more meaningful; like one about "prestige" Audis and their significantly cheaper cousins Skodas, [despite the almost same build quality, or one about a Jag X-Type and a Mondeo or Mazda 6. 85.108.52.116 12:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

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Archiving of parts of the discussion page

This discussion page will, to say the least, make a very undesirable imprssion on visitors. I would hereby like to delete or archive it. Any objections, or thoughts? Thank you. Signaturebrendel 06:40, 13 March 2006 (UTC)



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Sections with references

The sections with references are okay. They can be included. But the other statements in this article are illegitimate and need immediate attention. Samstayton 01:17, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

No, this article needs all the references, which have not been provided. This article is illegitimate and should be deleted. Samstayton 02:25, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Please be more specific. You have to discuss the points you made, point by point. Okay you said there is nor reference for the BMW 5-Series being mid-level but there is. We have defenition of what Mid-level mean, between $40k and $60k right. So if you go to BMW.com you'll find that the 5-Series mtaches that category. Alrighty? Then you said the statement that a top-of-the-line 5-Series (M5, which well is actually its own model) might reach up into the High-end segment is unrefernced, but it isn't. Go to BMW.com and you will see how expensive the M5 gets. See, the 5-Series is an example, but the status of all vehicles mentioned is referenced. Please tell me how your concern have not been addressed poroperly and please be specific. You might find it to be easiest if you reply to the comments I made regarding your 16 points above. We gotta go trhough this point by point if you want to make this a better article. Also one template is enough, eh? And no we don't need to use footnotes for every statement like you did for the X-Type. We just need some general refs at the bottom of the article. Thank you. Best Regards, Signaturebrendel 02:36, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


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SAAB AND VOLVO NOT LUXURY CARS.........?

WHY SAAB OR VOLVO ARE NOT TO BE CONSIDERED LUXURY MAKES WHEN MOST OF THE REVENUES FROM THEIR PRODUCTS COME FROM CARS PRICED A LOT MORE THAN 29OOO US$ OR 24000 EURO(S60,S80,XC70,XC90,V70,C70 AND ALL SAABS + MOST OF S40 AND V50 CARS SOLD ESPECIALLY IN EUROPE EXCEPT FROM THE 1,6)!!!!YOU SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER THAT THE AVERAGE INCOME IN THE EU-15 IS LESS THAN THAT OF THE US.THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT A FOCUS IS A LUXURY CAR BECAUSE IN PORTUGAL THE TAXES ARE TOO HIGH or because the portuguese are poor...BUT HIGHER TAXES IN EUROPE SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AS VEHICLES WHITH MORE POWER ARE MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE SAME IN THE US.FOR EXAMPLE IN EUROPE YOU BUY A VOLVO S40 1,8 FOR 24000EUR(OR 30744 US$!!!!-KINETIC TRIM LEVEL)AND IN THE US THE SAME CAR WITH A 2,4(170PS NOT 140PS)LTR ENGINE(MOMENTUM TRIM LEVEL WHICH IS DEFINETELY MORE LUXURIOUS)CAN BE PURCHASED WITH 24000$ MSRP(18722US$)!FOR THE US IS DEFINETELY NOT A LUXURY CAR BUT FOR EUROPE IT REALLY IS CONSIDERING THE PRICE CRITERION THAT YOU SET. SO I THINK YOU SHOULD RECONSIDER THE OPINION ABOUT THE NEAR LUXURY MANUFACTURERS ESPECIALLY WHEN THEIR TOP SELLING MODELS EXCEED THE PRICE CRITERION YOU SET AND THE MAJORITY OF REVENUE COMES FROM CARS COSTING A LOT MORE THAN 29000 US $ FOR THE US MARKET. ONLY THE GERMANS ARE LUXURIOUS FIRMS?WHA TABOUT THE PAST?WAS VOLVO THE SAME AS AUDI OR SHARPLY MORE LUXURIOUS? NON SCANDINAVIAN ????????? (This post was left by 87.203.216.224)

Okay, no need to capitalize your entire post. As you can see most of this article is under the heading "(American market)". Volvos and Saads are two cheap. There are several things you need to take into account:

  1. Most Volvos are less than the median MSRP of vehicles sold. (Too cheap-$24k is an average family car)
  2. Not all cars are more expensive in the EU-the MB E-Class is cheaper in Germany than here
  3. Not all Europeans spend considerably less-Germans spend 23,000 Eruos on their new cars versus $26,000 among Americans
  4. Please do not translate currencies-yes right now 24k Euros may be $30k-but what if the currencies change-does the actual domestic buying power of Europeans go down when the Euro goes down-no
  5. Volvo does not have the prestige, few press releases in Germany or here describe the S40 as a luxury car. Not even Volvo calls it a luxury car.
  6. Please provide a reference for "The majority of revenue [for Volvo and Saab coming] from cars costing a lot more than $29k."-I doubt seriously doubt it does.

If you would like to expand the non-US section you can but please don't convert currencies it merely gives an inaccurate depiction of pucharsing power. Also, a Mercedes-Benz E and S-class in the same class as a Volvo S40? Regards, Signaturebrendel 23:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

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Sorry for the capitals,last time.They were annoying and confusing.

The criterion set by the wikipedia site for a luxury car is to have a PRICE ABOVE 30000 US$,ok? Luxury car makers are those manufacturers that more than 50% of their sales comes from cars that cost more than this price tag,ok?

VOLVO CARS SALES 2005

Volvo XC90 85,994 US STARTING UP 36135 US $ GERMANY 42500 Volvo V50 83,202 " " 26690 US $ 22500(1,6) Volvo S40 75,136 " " 24240 US $ 21800(1,6) Volvo V70 70,156 " " 30045 US $ 31670 Volvo S60 62,528 " " 30885 US $ 28870 Volvo XC70 35,357 " " 36420 US $ 39400 Volvo S80 27,568 " " - - Volvo C70 Classic 3,246 " - -

THE All new Volvo S80 is expected to sell more than 50000 cars for its first year with starting price of 39360 US $ or 35950 EURO in Germany.th one referred above is the old one. The all new Volvo C70 is expected to sell more than 50000 cars(20000 ordered in 3 months!) with starting price of 39090 US $ or 33300 Euro in Germany. Consider the fact that average income in EU-15 is less than that of the US and that Germany has in general the lowest car prices in Europe.Even the German GDP per capita is much lower than that of the US.The Europeans tend to work less than the Americans.Volvo S40 is the only near luxury model of VOLVO considering the fact that most of its sales come from 1.8,2.0,2.4 and 2.0 diesel engines.All the other Volvo car models are above the price criterion.Volvo S40/V50 consists only of the 35.66% of total sales... Volvo is definetely a luxury car maker Sure,it does not match the image of Audi or BMW,but is more classy than AUDI,

Sold cars

  2005 2004 +/- 2004   

Volvo S40 75,136 53,085 + 41,5% Volvo S60 62,528 73,121 - 14,4% Volvo S80 27,568 32,985 - 16,4% Volvo V50 83,202 47,743 + 74,0% Volvo V70 70,156 74,656 - 6,0% Volvo XC70 35,357 35,876 - 1,4% Volvo XC90 85,994 84,032 + 2,3% Volvo C70 Classic* 3,246 7,012 - 53,0% Others 760 47,714 - 98,4% Total 443,947 456,224 - 2,8%


  • Production of Volvo C70 Classic ended in March 2005.


http://www.volvocars.com/corporation/FactsandFigures/MarketsandSales/


see the prices of Volvo cars on the internet

I am very frustrated by your last comment: "Also, a Mercedes-Benz E and S-class in the same class as a Volvo S40?"It is very unsophisticated and insulting for me!Have I told you anything like this?Volvo S40 is in a car range different than these cars as it is smaller.Why don't you refer to Mercedes C-CLASS or BMW 3 SERIES,AUDI A4?MERCEDES E-CLASS IS AT THE SAME CATEGORY AS VOLVO S80!!!We talk about the entry level models,don't we?In Europe these cars are considered luxury cars.Do not take as an example only Germany.We talk about Europe.In US luxury cars sre considered those that cost more than 30000 US $.In Germany it may be the same.In France?Italy?UK?Spain,Sweden,Belgium,Greece?All these,other than german,markets consist much more in Europe's sales.So when you talk about Europe you should talk about the whole Europe,not only Germany.You are German but the review about Europe should refer to all OECD(Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development-developed countries) European members.Finally do not consider luxury cars from their american definition.In Europe this definition for all these reasons mentioned is totally different.

BMW 525i 43500$,AUDI A6 3.2 40820$,VOLVO S80 3,2 39360$,MERCEDES E-CLASS 51325$,ACURA TL 3,2 33325$,INFINITI M 41450$,SAAB 9-5 2.3T 34820$

I think that Mercedes is in a class of its own in the US!!!However all the other models are in the same class as Volvo S80,aren't they?Saab and Acura are a little bit downmarket.These prices are in the US.So why Volvo S80 is compared with the smallest BMW sedan?In Europe the prices of Audi and Volvo are the same,the BMW and Mercedes are a bit more expensive.Mercedes E is very expensive in the US....

Europe(Belgium) prices

MERCEDES E-CLASS 37631 Euro(2.2 CDI),BMW 520d 37100 Euro(525i 41349 Euro),AUDI A6 2.0 TDI 33970 Euro,Volvo S80 35199 Euro(2.4 diesel),SAAB 9-5 30999 Euro

You can easily see that Volvo is at the same category as the others.And even better than Audi.We talk about an average European market as Belgium is.

  In Greece where I live,Saab is more upmarket than Volvo.  

1So let's talk about the other models

BELGIAN STARTING PRICES IN EURO

BMW X5: 47800 ,MERCEDES M:49557 ,VOLVO XC90:44590 ,AUDI Q7: 49346 ,SAAB 9-7X: 49026 ,CADILLAC SRX 46949 ,JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE: 41900 ,LAND ROVER DISCOVERY(LR3): 41194 ,LEXUS RX: 46555 , PORSCHE CAYENNE: 52151

VOLVO'S BEST SELLING MODEL(19,37% OF TOTAL VOLVO SALES) IS XC90 STARTING AT 44950 EURO

VOLVO S60: 26949 EURO ,MERCEDES C: 29986 ,BMW 3-SEDAN: 25899 ,AUDI A4 : 24299 ,SAAB 9-3: 20000, CADILLAC BLS: 27589 ,LEXUS IS : 31479 ,JAGUAR X-TYPE : 28900,ALFA ROMEO 159 : 23300, VOLVO S40: 22750

VOLVO has two models in this category: S60,a true luxury car(14.08% of Volvo sales) and S40(16.92%),Volvo's near luxury car.The best selling models are those costing a lot more:Volvo S40 1.6Diesel(24750 euro)and all the engines produced in Sweden as only 20% of factory's output are fitted with Ford's petrol engines(1.6,1.8,2.0).The others are diesels(1.6,2.0:26250E,D5:29299E) or 2.4i(26799),2.5 T5(32750).My reference is www.volvocarsgent.be

MERCEDES E-CLASS 37631 Euro(2.2 CDI),BMW 520d 37100 Euro(525i 41349 Euro),AUDI A6 2.0 TDI 33970 Euro,Volvo S80 35199 Euro(2.4 diesel),SAAB 9-5 30999 Euro,LEXUS GS 47005

VOLVO V70 :31799, MERCEDES C-CLASS BREAK: 32277 ,AUDI A4 AVANT : 25514 , BMW 3 TOURING: 28000 JAGUAR X-TYPE ESTATE : 30900 ,VOLVO V50 : 25249

VOLVO has also two estates in the same category:V70(15.8% OF VOLVO SALES)AND V50(18.74%)

Even if we exlcude s40 and v50 and provided that S80(starting at 35199 euro) and C70(starting at 34000 euro) will sell more than 100000 cars in their first year(MORE THAN 1/5th of company's sales),the sales of models that have the same price as Mercedes,Bmw,Audi etc is very big

XC90+S60+V70+XC70+S80(NEW)+C70(NEW) YOU WILL SEE THAT IT IS A LUXURY CAR MAKER FOR THE EUROPEAN MARKET + near luxury S40 and V50(although their price is very close to that of Audis)

The Germans would never agree that their swedish counterparts could be luxurious.

We agree that either Volvo nor Saab and Alfa Romeo produce cars rival to more expensive Mercedes(like CLS,S,CL,SLR,R) and BMW cars(like 7,6,M series) than those mentioned above.But this is not a reason not to consider them luxury.Why then AUDI is a luxury car maker and not a Volvo?The only car it produces above Volvo is A8,but its sales are not an important part of Audi's sales.

VOLVO V70 IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN JAGUAR X ESTATE AND SOLD 70156 CARS IN 2005. THE WHOLE JAGUAR FIRM SELLS ROUGHLY 80000 CARS PER ANNUM


Volvo,Land Rover,Jaguar,Aston Martin create PAG(Premier Automotive Group), FORD'S company for European luxury brands and Volvo is part of it.

Sorry but how can I add a section?

Hello again

Just see the average car spending in Belgium,a country that has the same household income as Germany...it's much lower although Belgium is a car producing country...

[1]

The biggest price category is that of 14673-17352(19.3%) and if you make the statistics the geometry median(50%)is at this price tag... The higher 20% of car sales comes from cars that cost more than 22310 Euro. Just see it and you will realise that only Germans spend big sums of money for new cars.They spend their money to buy used cars with higher cilindrity...Just see the auto park of Belgium...[2]

Is Buick the same as Volvo?Just see the prices...You have not realised that Volvo's best selling model is Volvo XC90 wich starts from 36000$ or 45000 Euro in Europe!!!!

Sorry for the inconvenience...but Buick has only one car costing more than 30000 MSRP ,the RAINIER.Volvo in the US sell S80 with 40000$ Msrp(25000 sales expected there;1/5 of total Volvo US sales),XC90 with MORE THAN 36000$ MSRP(40000 sales in the US;1/3 of Volvo US sales),C70 costing more than 39000$(8000sales expected there),S60 costing more than 31000$,V70 with MSRP more than 30000$. What about Buick? LACROSSE(22915$),LUCERNE(262654$),RAINIER(32120$),RENDEZVOUS(25795$),TERRAZA(27295$)

Volvo has only two cars costing in the range between 25000-30000 $:S40 and V50,ALL the other range mentioned above costs a lot more... It's obvious they are not the same...

ACURA is a luxury company and not Volvo?You must be kidding...Just look at the MSRP prices:they are more than 36000$?You set as criterion:"if a car manufacturer's MSP of all vehicles sold is greater than $36,000, then it is a luxury car manufacturer"

ACURA

RSX 20325 TSX 27890 RDX 32995 TL 33325 MDX 37125 RL 49300

The KBB is not a good criterion though...It defines as luxury the mid-lexel of luxury cars and higher...Just look at the source you mentioned [3] It says:"Because the North American luxury car market encompasses a vast range of automobiles priced from under $30,000 to sky's the limit, it's helpful to break the segment into easily digestible chunks. Most commonly, we call those chunks entry luxury, mid-luxury, super-luxury, and ultra-luxury. Entry luxury cars usually cost between $25,000 and $40,000, and they don't always have a luxury brand attached to them. Mid-luxury cars typically run between $40,000 and $60,000, and always carry a nameplate that resonates with image-conscious Americans. Super-luxury cars cost upwards of $60,000 but less than $100,000, and inspire envy in both friends and enemies. Ultra-luxury cars are six-figure expenses guaranteed to land the hottest date in town and the best parking spaces at the trendiest nightspots."

Volvo has not super luxury cars.But does Acura have?No.So you must change your mind and put Volvo at the same category as Acura or downgrade Acura...Just it's not fair...

Finally Volvo XC90 COSTS 45000 EURO IN EUROPE,in the US costs 36000$,so in Europe it is a very expensive car.And it was you that told me not to use money exchange to compare cars... In GREECE Volvo XC90 costs 57000Euro!The average however is that of Belgium.Just see [4]

I have just seen this:you consider Audi a near luxury car maker?Then luxury maker for you is only Maybach or Bentley...

Volvo is the part of Ford's Premium Automotive Group - the group consisting only of premium/luxury brands.

Also, In Europe Volvo is considered a luxury brand, however not as luxury as BMW or MB. Netrat (talk) 03:30, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

According the Wikipedia policy, article should represent global point of view. The US-centric point of view is a common issue of many article, one of the issues that needs to be fixed. We need to support WP:NPOV, so European market is as much important as American one. So it does not matter if Volvo is not considered to be a lux brand in US. Netrat (talk) 03:44, 10 August 2008 (UTC) Finally, the proper way to find out if customers are paying for the brand or not is to compare the price of a vehicle to the average price of its competitors in the same size segment with the same horsepower and the same options (like leather seats), not to compare the price to your income or the median income in your conutry. That's why exact price tags make little sense. Netrat (talk) 03:44, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


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ENTRY LEVEL LUXURY CARS

Just see this site that includes a guide for entry level luxury vehicles... [5]

Upon the guidelines set by the source mentioned both S40,S60,9-3,159,A4 are entry-luxury sedans.You mention in the article that the US prices set the guidelines on wether a company is luxury or not.So Acura is not a luxury brand and Audi is... As all of these companies' sales come from cars of more than 25000 Euro,they are all luxury makes.All of them!Mercedes or Jaguar are not the same as Audi or Volvo but that does not change that all are luxo brands.Just see that only 10% of vehicles sold in Belgium in 2005 cost above 24000 Euro.The true middle class that can buy luxury vehicles is the wealthiest 20% of a society.Just see the definition for true middle class in the Wikipedia.The belgians are not poor,they have the same income as germans.So definetely these cars are luxury ones...

As Audi is above Volvo and Acura in the same level as Volvo why in the article you mention Audi as a near luxury maker and Acura a luxury maker?

Finally give me references for 24000 Euro for Germany or 26000$ for the US....I gave you the reference for Belgium...And why we should take into account Germany and not e.g. France?Germany is not the same as the whole of Europe in the car market.Germany is the only European country that there are no speed limits in Autobahns,there are no toll stations.They also buy bigger and more expensive cars than all the other Europeans(compressors,turbos,big engines etc).Go to the same income big countries such as Italy or France and you will change your mind.... You also mentioned Forbes Autos.See the closest competitors of Volvo S40 [6] Eventually a luxury car is not only defined by its price but by its refinement,quality perceived etc....

I am an economist and I know what a luxury product is.And for Europe all these european car brands described as near luxury are luxury brands..I mentioned the classification of car registrations in Belgium in price categories above our Buick discussion.If you have not seen that,here it is:[7]. "Just see the average car spending in Belgium,a country that has the same household income as Germany...it's much lower although Belgium is a car producing country... The biggest price category is that of 14673-17352(19.3%) and if you make the statistics the geometry median(50%)is at this price tag(14763-17352Euro)... The higher 20% of car sales comes from cars that cost more than 22310 Euro."

The median is always better than the average,I hope you know it... Here is the average disposable income of households in Nordic countries [9]

For Sweden look at[10] or [11] for household finances in Sweden.As I am greek and I live in Greece here are the greek statistics.Unfortunately there are no data in english for 2005.So i give them to you... Households' month total expenditure UP TO 750EUR/month: 408917 households(10.24%), 751-1100 EUR/month: 564531 households(14.13%), 1101-1450EUR/month: 522860 households(13.10%), 1451-1800EUR/month: 480402 households(12.03%), 1801-2200EUR/month: 471172 households(11.8o%), 2201-2800EUR/month: 538062 households(13.48%), 2801-3500EUR/month: 421341 households(10.55%), higher than 3500EUR/month: 585689 households(14.67%), Total households  :3992964(100%) Generally ou should have in mind that black market in Greece consists 40% of GDP(not included in GDP).It has to be mentioned that 80,05% of Greeks live in their own home.In rural areas this comes at 96.96% ownership-occupancy.In rural areas live the households with the lowest incomes but there is no need to pay for rent...In urban areas it is eliminated at 73.53%(mainly foreign immigrants do not own a house)

As you understand the median household income in Greece is at about 24000EUR/year.

For Austria see [12]and here [13] You may also find more information here:[14]

Why have you put Alfa Romeo among the luxury brands and not Volvo.Alfa rommeo has not a car costing more than 50000Euro.Volvo has cars that cost up to 90000Euro(XC90 4.4 V8 in Greece) or 53965£ in the UK!Saab the same with 9-7X9-5 is also costlier than Alfa 166 and accounts for abig part of Saab sales.The same for V70 of Volvo.The demand for these two brands increases with the rise of income,so they are luxury brands,not the same as Jaguar,Mercedes or BMW but comparable with Audi,Alfa Romeo,Acura and Infiniti.I have seen a new source for car sales in Europe.Austria boosts a bigger GDP per capita than Germany,just see the rankings...According to the greek magazine 4troxoi which is the most prominent in its sector magazine in Greece and analyses the car sales in each country says that 36.7%of car sales(2005)represent cars with horsepower between 92-120hp,20.9% for cars with 55-74hp(there are such cars in Europe,you may ignore it)and only 24.1% for all cars above 120hp!!!!!The category between 74 and 92hp is not mentioned but it must be the remaining 18.3% of total Austrian sales for 2005.

Hello Brendel,here is the site from the 'NEW YORK TIMES' suggesting that both S40 and S60 are luxury cars in the US.Just respond me responsibly because you insist on KBB...I think that NEW YORK TIMES are a much more reliable source...Itis mentioned that S40 has a lower price but it can be equipped with luxury items as it is built by a luxury car maker.The fact that a car is not the same as Cadillac does not mean that it is not a luxury car.And there are no semi-luxury products,there are only normal and luxurygoods.Semi-luxury is an invention of your own in the economic theory!

Just see:[15]

The fact that you do not trust when buying a car the New York Times is something subjective and no objective,as my opinion is.Even in one site that the car is mentioned as luxury then it is unfair to have a subjective point of view,thus the classification would be false.We should not start arguing wether a site is good or not. My proposal is to gather all the brands at the luxury nameplate and avoid semi-luxury definition.The semi-luxury defintition should be used only for cars and not for brands.Volvo,Saab and Alfa Romeo are all luxury brands but Volvo C30 or S40,Alfa Romeo 147,Audi A3 and BMW 1 are not proper luxury cars as their price is too low for being considered as luxury cars but they carry luxury brands,so they are semi-luxury cars.I have already proved you that for example Volvo sales come in majority from cars costing more than 30000$.Its model with the highest sales is the Volvo XC90,a luxury SUV.Do you think that one would buy a Volvo XC90 at the same money as Mercedes M or BMW X5 if (s)he considered that the product he would buy was not as good as the others.Noway!Think of it.Americans buy Volvo XC90 instead of buying the US made X5,M at the same price!They would not do it if they thought that Volvo products are inferior to them.The same happens with Volvo cars generally.So we should put all the brands refered at the article as luxury brands and make a sub article refering to cars that are not luxury(they are premiums though) but carry luxury brand names.

Where exactly at the top you want me to add the phrase?Finally I have already given you some references for luxury makers.I should also add that Volvo prices are similar with that of Audi in the US.The only exception is only S40 with the 2.4l(170ps) engine wich costs 24000$ but without the geartronic(automatic transmission) which is popular in the US.With that added it costs 25500$...Audi e.g. has not such an engine imported car in the US.The S40 T5(218ps) has the same price as the Audi A4 2.0T(200ps) although Volvo S40 is 4inches smaller in length!In the same length as A4 is the Volvo S60(180inches) which costs 30885$ for the equivalent engine(2.5T,208hp) when the Audi A4 costs 28240!!!!!Volvo is undoubtedly at the same level as Audi even in the US,so it deserves to be called a luxury maker even for the US!!!

Why this stance towards Volvo?Audi is also not the same as BMW or Cadillac but you did not make such reference...Please do not add such a subjective note.You may add that some luxo companies are more prestigious than the others in general...and that's objective

SEE here the main competitors of Volvo C70 according to the british Autocar [16]

You may also see this Top Gear article for the all new Volvo C30.See at this page its main competitors:Audi A3,BMW 1,Alfa GT... [17]

You may also see Volvo XC90 Top Gear review which had been given the BEST PREMIUM SUV PRIZE from Top Gear.You are conspicuous against Top Gear?I have to mention that XC90 is Volvo's best selling car(more than 20% of Volvo sales)...

Finally something that you do not want but it really is especially for Europe.Volvo S40 refered as a compact executive car at Top Gear car's review!! See : [18]

Here I'll add some quotes. From What Car?: "The Volvo is not cheap for a small family car but the S40's quality and high levels of standard equipment justify the price tag" [19], "[...] good enough to tempt buyers out of compact execs." [20] From Auto Express: "The S40 is a slightly strange car. Volvo say it has been designed to battle with the Audi A3 and BMW 1-Series, but the saloon bodystyle pushes it into the compact executive sector - competing with the BMW 3-Series, Audi A4 and... the Volvo S60!" [21] 4Car says on the S40 "It looks like a Volvo S60 - or does it? Volvo's new S40 is slightly smaller, fitting just below a BMW 3-Series while the S60 slots in above." [22] Besides, this page talks about the C30 as a "premium compact hatchback" and adds: "The Volvo C30 is that new car, designed to steal buyers from the A3, the BMW 1-Series and the Alfa 147 (or its replacement) [...] In essence the C30 is an S40 saloon with 22cm chopped off the tail, reclothed in a three-door body with all-new external sheet metal." [23] On the S60, 4Car writes: "Model-for-model, it's largely in line with the BMW 3 Series - a little dearer than an Audi A4, but cheaper than a Mercedes C-Class." [24]

Another hint: in Spain, the C-Class 200 CDI (122 hp) goes for EUR 34.150, the S60 2.4 D5 (126 hp) for EUR 31.400, the 318d (122 hp) for EUR 31.000 and the A4 2.0 TDI (140 hp) for EUR 31.150 -- the C-Class is slightly better equipped than the other three. In contrast, the S40 2.0 D (136 hp) costs only EUR 28.700. [25] Considering the lower trim levels, the S40 2.0 D starts at EUR 26.500 and has another close rival, the Jetta 2.0 TDI (140 hp) at EUR 26.100.

What I suggest is to refer to the Volvo C30 as a premium small family car, the same as the Audi A3 and BMW 1 Series; to the S40 as its saloon derivative and to the V50 as its estate derivative. Remember that it is said the 1 Series may spawn a saloon version, which would compete directly against the S40. Finally, I see the S60 as the "natural" compact executive car, as it is sized, powered and priced similarly to the German trio, the Alfa Romeo 159, Lexus IS, Jaguar X-Type, Volvo 9-3 and the kind. -- NaBUru38 20:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


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Virtually all opinion and little can be done about it?

I don't believe this article provides any reliable insight without being opinion based. There are marques that people (myself included) consider luxurious that others may not. There will be some that many consider luxurious vehicles, but by and large if somebody believes a Volvo is, no amount of numbers or comparatives will truly change the perception - since that is what luxury is.

I think the Volvo and Saab brands are luxury vehicles as much as Mercedes or BMW. This is opinion, but then so is the notion that Mercedes or BMWs are luxurious. One could say the Ford 'ghia' range that were available in the Uk were previously a 'luxury' model of their car.

If we are to call luxury are specific series of features (sat nav/heated seats/electric seats etc.) then the ballpark moves on continuously - remember when only luxury cars had multiple airbags/power steering). If we are to go on price-range then we are merely pointing out expensive cars and calling them luxury by value alone. If we are to go by 'prestige' then we are entirely in the territory of opinion.

I'm open to suggestions (not that they are particularly needed the article is quite lengthy) but as it stands I don't personally feel the article is like that of an encyclopedia.

Anyhoo good chat everybody some impressive stuff above! ny156uk 19:28, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


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Chrysler 300 C and Hummer H2

Are they luxury vehicles? Some source says they are. Some says not. I'm confused. Is there any affirmative answer? --Mato Rei 13:13, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


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MERCEDES BENZ C-CLASS

Mercedes-Benz c-class is a posh car even for Germany.Germany is not the wealthiest country in Europe as you may think.The UK,Norway,Switzerland,Ireland,Denmark,Sweden,Luxembourg,Austria and others are much wealthier.It is a common car in Germany as many buy it used in lower prices as it is a posh car for the whole of Europe.When the GDP per capita of the US is 40000$ and that of EU-15 average is that of 29000$(22857Euro) you understand that things are much different than the US and that US prices should not be considered as benchmarks for luxury cars.As an economist I know the difference between GDP and household income but I have given you data for household income and average purchase for cars in some countries...Is France a poor country?It has the same income as Germany.And there Mercedes is a posh car.No matter the sum of money they spend on a car.

Editing is necessary for the section describing European SUVs:

Mainstream Japanese manufacturers such as Honda, Nissan and Toyota have slightly more expensive prices than European manufacturers like Ford, Opel, Peugeot and Renault, but are considered to be in the same category as them. Automobile makers like Lancia, Saab and Volvo would fall into the near-luxury manufacturer category , as these brands build cars with better qualities than usual.

As we know Ford is an American manufacturer.

Ford is widely considered in Europe as a german firm although everyone knows that it's an american one.That happens as design,build quality etc of European Fords are similar to that of German Cars.Even in advertising here in Greece they are connected with German superior quality etc...


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VOLVO

An another point that shows that Volvo is a luxury brand even when we talk about the US market is the fact that its dealerships are in the 6th place among the luxury brands... [27]



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Chrysler?

Now, I know that the defenition of a "luxury car" is by its price, but Chrysler makes luxury cars at "family prices", as stated in the Chrysler article. Shouldn't we define a luxury car by the amneties it provides and its styling rather that its price? Many of Chrysler's cars CAN be considered luxury cars, not just near-luxury, because of their styling. For example, the Chrysler 300, Chrysler Pacifica, Chrysler Aspen and the Chrysler Crossfire can all be easily considered luxury cars because of their amneties (power seats, wood paneling, DVD players, sunroof, ect.) Chrysler was on the list before it was taken down because of its price. The pricing rule seems a bit unusual, because luxury cars are defined by quality and not just price. -- JuWiki (Talk <> Resources) 16:30, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


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Links

What is with the whole link business? When I first added my link to Ultraluxurycar.com on this page, there were four other links, all of which directed to magazines. My link was to an informational site. I am not saying information that was lacking in the page, but I am saying that it would be good for further research. Ten minutes later my link was removed. After three days, I added it back in. The next day, the whole "Link" section was gone. Is it the work of Wikipedia fanatics who don't want Wikipedia to be a "directory of links"? Sure, I could go through and remove every link on every page I find, but what have I accomplished? Absolutely, nothing! Yes, Wikipedia would have no spam links, but all the valid ones would be gone too. I sincerely think that my link is valid and should be used on this page. Zach4636 12:06, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


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Joke image

User:71.234.11.63 is adding the image of the Oldsmobile Achieva coupe -- describing it as the pinnacle of luxury! Including this car of course is a good joke! -- CZmarlin 12:41, 6 September 2007 (UTC)




Car Pictures

If anybody has a picture of a "Luxury crossover SUV" or a "Luxury pickup truck", I think that this page could really use them. Right now there are pictures of every other type of luxury car except them. I will also try to find applicable pictures. Zach4636 12:58, 6 October 2007 (UTC)




A Link Section

I think that there should really be an external link section. Not having one detracts from the integrity of the page. Zach4636 21:34, 28 November 2007 (UTC)




Clarification needed

Whoever wrote this sentence really needs to clarify it because it does not make sense:

For vehicles such as smart fortwo, although the base model costs more than the 4/5-door subcompact or compact cars (in some cases, even compact cars loaded with factory options) for the same market, and was sold through luxury brand dealers, are not commonly regarded as luxury vehicles.

Thank you. Zach4636 14:00, 5 December 2007 (UTC)




Arbitrary divisions/ original research?

This whole article seems to be based on rather arbitrary unsourced definitions of what a luxury, ultra-luxury etc car is. I would suggest that the whole article is bordering on original research WP:OR. There is no accepted universal definition of what constitutes a 'mid-luxury', 'high-end luxury' or any other type of luxury vehicle and it's not Wikipedia's job to create one. I think it should be rewritten to reflect this rather than attempting to state as a matter of fact that car X is 'entry-level luxury' and car Y is 'mid-luxury'. As it stands, the article is a collection of opinion presented as fact. Dino246 (talk) 07:22, 31 January 2008 (UTC)




Rebuild this article

This article has no place in a reference work. There is not a single agreed upon definition of luxury, hence the entire article is conjectural.

I strongly suggest we start over with this article. Comments?

See Weasel Words. 842U (talk) 23:11, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

A definitionally precise article would be great -- far better than reverting the article. Try to find that definition though. 842U (talk) 00:51, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback on the article -- your opinions are valuable here. Whatever happens, lets keep discussing this -- there are no hard feelings, and maybe we can get to a place where the article really works.

In the meantime, if you read this entire discussion page, this issue has festered for a long time -- ice picks aside, several folks have identified the deeply flawed nature of the article in its previous state.

We know SUV's derive from trucks, that Crossover's are built on unibody chassis, that a convetible allows open air driving -- but what precisely do we know about luxury vehicles?

Granted, the current article is flawed too.

The current brief article is better than the long flawed article, because its easier to build on and revise. The sheer bulk of the last article gave credence to something for which there is no credence: that there is a definition for a luxury vehicle. 842U (talk) 11:07, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

This is great -- with a few of us taking care to recraft the article, perhaps we can arrive at a functional reference. 842U (talk) 12:45, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Dino, I have a problem with what you added, retracted it, and hope you will come up with a "sandboxed" edition that uses a less conjectural tone and reliable sources. 842U (talk) 15:43, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Dino, in ref to your lates edit:

Some (see weasel words) motor manufacturers (who?) produce only luxury vehicles (again, what is this?) and these are considered (by whom?) to be luxury brands (again, what is this?). However, most (see weasel words) motor manufacturing companies have some sort of luxury vehicle (again, what is this) or luxury vehicle brand in their range and today, the term luxury vehicle is applied to some small cars and 4x4s as well as the more traditional four door saloons and Grand Tourer sports cars that were exclusively considered (by whom) to be luxury vehicles in the past.

It's ineffective to have this conversation about luxury vehicles, when the term itself is vague. Again, we need real sources here -- otherwise the article will become a lot of conjecture again. 842U (talk) 13:26, 27 April 2008 (UTC)




Renewed discussion about what a luxury car is

See Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Luxury_Cars. Ros0709 (talk) 17:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)




What the hell is wrong with you people?

There used be a huge article on luxury vehicles a few months back, why did it get downsized into something useless and completely amaturely made???

From article history I can see that User:842U was one who downsized the article in April 2008. From his edits you can see that 842U just does not like the term claiming it is not official and subjective. This is very NPOV (sorry, typo). Downsizing article from 22 kb to 1 kb looks almost like vandalism. 842U, be aware that term "luxury car" is used by motor press in very objective meaning. See a section below for more information. I would agree with 62.162.63.62. Netrat (talk) 13:37, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

This is a good discussion. NPOV means: neutral point of view. So thanks. The article can always be reverted. This isn't a power struggle. There had been much of discussion on this page regarding the original research nature of the old article. There were no references, no objectivity, nothing to verifiably define a "luxury" vehicle. In fact, there appear to be very few definitions around the world for what defines the term "luxury" when applied to a vehicle. And that is the bottom line about what a Wikipedia article is supposed to be about: verifiabilitiy, and reliable reference material. Where is that?

The revision reflected that consensus. Anyone who wants to work on the article, providing clear, verifiable, information based on strong third-party independent source... is welcome to.

If the "motoring press" uses this term objectively... where is the "motoring press'" definition? That should actually be a very easy to find answer if it is in fact available. Who is "the motoring press?"

Look at this statement: "everyone today has a pretty clear perception of what a luxury car is" from above. OK, who is this everyone? Show us a reference. Where is this so called "clear perception?" Show us a reference. What makes an Audi a luxury car? A Suzuki SX4 with standard Naviagation system, arguably high build quality... is that not a luxury car? Where is the cut-off? 842U (talk) 14:00, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I just want to ask why the real definition of a luxury car is so important to 842U??? I understand and respect your right to challange what you think is false and misinformation but why downsize a perfectly made article? I feel the article is incomplete now as a result of this downsizing. Also, why put British and US classifications of a luxury vehicle on a page that is intended to contain information of luxury vehicles, shouldn't we just make a seperate Wikipedia article for the definitions/classifications of a luxury vehicle and put the old article back??? Just something to think about... --Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.162.63.62 (talk) 14:04, 16 September 2008 (UTC)




Classification

842U keeps removing car size classification template, as well as any mentions of F-Segment. Why that's wrong: 1. "Luxury car" may be a marketing term in American English, but in British English it refers to F-Segment cars. Sources: [31], [32], [33], [34]. What Car? and AutoExpress are premier UK auto magazines. Netrat (talk) 13:37, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I am not the only one who removed that information, so go easy. Not one of these references defines the term "Luxury Vehicle." They use the term without defining it. And it may well be their own idiosyncratic pereception of "luxury vehicle"... without a definition or some reference, there is no way to tell. I also don't see on your links, a clear connection between F segment and luxury vehicle. 842U (talk) 14:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

This isn't about you or your arguments or your conjecture. It's about verifiable, neutral, third party information.842U (talk) 20:24, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Magazines are insiders to the business, their survival depends on advertising income from manufacturers... they are not neutral in their point of view. 842U (talk) 13:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it would be beeter to have separate articles on luxury vehicle (term applied to any expensieve vehicle), luxury car (market segment: large sedans from premium brands) and F-segment (defined by size), but until we have such articles, all views on luxury cars should be kept in this article. Netrat (talk) 16:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)




Interwikis

Interwikis point to articles about the European F-segment (North America: luxury full-size car), not about the luxury concept in general as this article does. --NaBUru38 (talk) 00:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

  1. Only one source supports this concept
  2. The article ignores the meaning of the term as used by reliable motoring press
  3. There's absolutely NO consensus about the version that "marketing term that can be applied to any vehicle of any brand and any body style", as can be seen from numerous attempts to restore the old content. And Wikipedia:CONSENSUS is one of the most fundamental rules. Netrat (talk) 20:09, 5 October 2008 (UTC)



2Dino

  1. F-Segment and Luxury Car is THE SAME according to European Comission! You should not remove this information. I've provided enough sources that indicate that F-Segment aka Luxury Car is an official classification in Europe.
  2. Reverting well-referenced edits is a major no-no and can eventually earn you a ban.
  3. Not to men1tion you've reverted edits than had nothing to do with F-Segment, such as {{fact}} template.
  4. If you disagree with other editors' edits, discuss first, find a consensus, edit then. That's a cornerstone of Wikipedia. Reverting is not a good way to find a consensus. Netrat (talk) 23:18, 27 February 2009 (UTC)



So

As now we have enough sources defining what "luxury car" is (from European Comission), I think it's time to restore AT LEAST SOME sections previously deleted Dino246 and 842U. Netrat (talk) 17:16, 25 March 2009 (UTC)




Dino, stop this childish behaviour! This is VANDALISM!

The current state of this article is an insult to anyone who knows just a little bit about cars! Your actions actually amount to vandalism!

You do seem to have a PERSONAL problem with the term "luxury", or perhaps just with the cars labeled as such.

Well, dude, there's is huge number of things on this planet whose definitions are ambiguous or not agreed upon by various individuals, but, somehow, many of those things have articles on wikipedia without being vandalised by people like you.

Your logic is unbelievable flawed! How about removing the term luxury completely from wikipedia just because you belive it's very abiguous and abstruse? According to your logic, people should be confused by any use of this term... --Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcos800 (talk o contribs) 18:14, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

The issue of verifiability is central to Wikipedia articles. The cited articles are germain, if only because they highlight how little verifiable information they contain and how little verifiable information surrounds the use of the word "luxury." Aside from the Luxury real estate article, these are very poor articles by Wikipedia criteria: Luxury real estate: the article refers to a specifically defined and referenced term within specific geographic markets. Luxury yacht: the article contains two references and little verifiable information. Luxury resort: the article contains no references and no verifiable information. Luxury good: the article contains no references. Luxury box: the article contains no references.

Wikipedia isn't a repository for the conjecture of "people who know about cars." Articles are to be structured around reliable sources. Because there is no agreed threshold on "luxury car-ness" and because ascribing the descriptor to any product is itself an act of peacockery, it seems most appropriate to keep the article sober, referenced and free from the agrandizement the very word luxury suggests. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.165.67.131 (talk) 15:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)




The article as it is.

Unless one of the people who impose the old article can come up with one (an article) without using a large ammount of weasel words, or saying 'Luxury Vehicle is a biased term' in fancy wording, I will continue to revert the artcle back to it's orginal state because, although it has faults, it is much more accurate than the poor excuse being presented. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.166.67.107 (talk) 07:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


OK, let's try and do this, but without arbitrary, contentious and subjective examples. Dry sourced definitions, nothing more. It must be clear that there is no consensus on what a 'luxury car' is, the second we start including examples we are objectivising a subjective topic and opening the door to arguments. Is a base X3 really a luxury car? Are Aston Martins luxury cars or grand tourers? Who are we to decide..? Dino246 (talk) 18:35, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Unless there is an agreed upon metric for measuring luxury-ness of a car, the article shouldn't suggest there is such a thing. In other words, if "luxury" is a term that is merely bestowed by, for example Consumer Reports or J.D. Powers... or any other organization, without a metric or means of measuring when a car meets or doesn't meet the standard, then just leave the article like it is. 842U (talk) 20:25, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


There is actually constructive work being done to improve this article. The "stable version" might be ultra-safe, but quite a few other editors see it as unacceptable since it is completely lacking in information. I was planning to do an overview of the North American luxury market and how it gradually evolved, obviously a European editor can do a similar thing for Europe (i.e. the problems that Lexus is facing trying to break in). Obviously, if you keep insisting on an internationally-agreed upon metric, in effect raising the bar too high, then nothing is going to get done, and I bet that other editors will keep reverting it. GoldDragon (talk) 21:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Because luxury is a perceptual, conditional and subjective attribute that can and will be understood differently by different entities, there is no standard of what constitutes the luxury-ness of a vehicle. Nor has any editor thus far offered a definition of where non-luxury ends and luxury begins. Nor is it impossible that luxury does not exist as an attribute of a vehicle itself but exists simply as the perception of the consumer. (cf. Quality)

But it is ineffectual to suggest here that sources are valid references of luxury-ness because their name is recognized -- noting especially that the entities in question (e.g., Consumer Reports) don't publish criteria or methodology to define the very thing in question: luxury-ness.

To improve the article, find entities that publish criteria to define the term luxury-ness when ascribed to a vehicle. In the meantime, the article is fair, concise and accurate.842U (talk) 19:13, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


A clear parallel to this article is the article on Quality), which gives a broad definition and then a list of sources with very specific criteria. The list itself confirms the variety of criteria that can be used -- without "making up" the list. Some editors feel it's ok to de-stabilize the luxury-vehicle article by dumping unorganized, un-sourced, unreferenced conjecture into this article. The "10" reason that Forbes gives for buying a "luxury car" are essentially covered in the intro to the article as it currently exists.

To improve the article, find entities that publish criteria to define the term luxury-ness when ascribed to a vehicle. In the meantime, the article is fair, concise and accurate. 842U (talk) 11:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

"Organized, sourced, and referenced" doesn't matter nearly as much as what is "organized, sourced, and referenced." Conjecture can be easily organized and sourced -- as in the case of the sports car article -- which is cited for inaccuracy pertaining to the very characteristics of the cars the article refers to. In other words, that article fell into the same pot hole some editors keep steering this article into. What the article needs are discreet definitions of "luxury vehicle," not inaccurate conjecture. No need to keep arguing the same thing; the article is no place for peacock terms, conjecture and original research. 842U (talk) 20:49, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll let you take care of the discreet definitions, however this article needs a lot more than just that. And as auto guides and the motoring press are not peacock terms, conjecture and original research, then we can finally move forward. GoldDragon (talk) 21:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

This discussion is nearly irrelevant, like arguing with a table. Sorry, not interested anymore.842U (talk) 19:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

There is only two editors, 842U and CZmarlin, that agree with the "stable" (if also completely devoid of content) version of the article. Surely this is not anywhere close to consensus. GoldDragon (talk) 02:41, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

How is having examples NPOV ? I'm not picking borderline debatable examples here, as a BMW 5 Series is clearly a mid-level luxury car by both North American and European classifications, with regard to both size and price (excluding the BMW M5). I think that these editors are just blanket reverting and not even reading any of the changes to the article.GoldDragon (talk) 17:14, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

GoldDragon (talk) 23:54, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

This appears to be an edit war -- we can ask that the article be locked.842U (talk) 20:39, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

RFC

Comment: This article is one of those few articles that I would imagine to be a complete nightmare, so I will try to be as impartial as possible. Global References should be greatly expanded as this is, quite possibly, the only non-contentious part of the article. Characteristics should be removed entirely and stay removed else the entire section will simply devolve into he-said-she-said with people using increasingly worse and worse cites as justification for including their definition. History and sales if done correctly good be quite an informative section; it should focus on general trends rather than individual cars or brands. I will also suggest that its use as a marketing term should be included; perhaps in history or it's own section, but this should focus on the history of the use of the term Sanguis Sanies (talk) 11:16, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Comment from uninvolved user. This is a difficult RfC to participate in, because many questions seem to be posed at the same time. My only comment at the moment is that "Global references" is an odd title for the section. "Definitions" would make more sense, and the section would still be laid out by country or region. Could you make use of standard histories of motoring or of car manufacturing to say how the concept of "luxury vehicle" has developed over the ages? Such history books will include examples. Illustrations would be helpful in the article. Itsmejudith (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Currently, the characteristics section is not a he-said-she-said, but given the potential for abuse, we'll monitor it carefully in order to control what goes in it. Rather than have editors use their own definition, they should use a recognized source such as Forbes or Consumer Guide. There is definitely lots of material on the front-engine rear-wheel drive platforms and how they are no longer used for mass market cars but still on premium cars. GoldDragon (talk) 18:47, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Obviously, I would like to be as general as possible rather than specifically referred to an individual car or brand, however the sources often track particular marques rather than the overall state of German or British luxury imports. I do use more generalizations in the characteristics section, using a specific example only when required. GoldDragon (talk) 18:52, 18 October 2009 (UTC)




Premium compact segment

Major sections of this article are full of peacock and weasel terms promoting brands and models. Now we have a contributor who insists on including a section describing "premium compacts". It is full of Boastful Superlatives (BS) to describe the vehicles that simply repeat the automaker's marketing departments. Furthermore, claiming automotive journalists as "reliable sources" is just rehashing the self-serving prose of automotive journalists that serve each automaker's publicity efforts. The proliferation of market segments and sub-segments using the term "luxury" is so overused that it no longer has any value. "Luxury" is now used to refer to every possible model made by every automaker. However, one of the sources in to support the "premium compact segment" (linked here) does not even use the term "luxury" to describe these small, but very expensive for their size and class vehicles. So why include them in this article? Wikipedia guidelines do not allow advertising and promotion. Thank you, CZmarlin (talk) 18:12, 8 September 2010 (UTC)




European size segment

Consider adding in the first paragraph, that these cars are also known as the F-segment across Europe.




Chrysler 300C

Chrysler markets its 300C as a full-size vehicle, not a mid-size. It says on http://www.chrysler.com/en/2011/300/ that it is part of the "Upper Large Car Segment". Plus, the AWD 300C weighs 4513 lbs, more than the 4409 lbs of an Audi A8, which is considered a large car. Ekcrbe (talk) 02:42, 26 October 2011 (UTC)




Range Rover

Of all four-wheel-drive vehicles, the first luxury one was the Range Rover, the design that started the brand, which had an aluminium V-8 engine (with air conditioning) and interior fittings such as in a British luxury car (wood and leather elegantly applied). It also was the only car ever displayed in the Louvre because it was considered that beautiful. British people know this. Why don't they put it on the page? 4.154.251.32 (talk) 01:58, 14 May 2012 (UTC)




volvo s40!!! Hyundai Equus (High-end luxury car) !!!

volvo s40 is never meant to be a luxury car, it is considered an alternative to Toyota Camry in most markets including some 3rd world countries and who classified Hyundai Equus as a high end luxury vechile, it should be a Mid-luxury car at best after all, it's a hyundai with a generic mando suspension and until 2009 it had a front-wheel drive engines with a weak torque (not a real luxury car IMO) -- Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahmedabady2005 (talk o contribs) 11:39, 27 August 2012 (UTC)




Are the following cars executive or full-size?

The Ford Crown Victoria, Chrysler 300, Holden VF Commodore, and Hyundai Genesis. Noscamsouttherebeinglovedby2013 (talk) 18:42, 14 September 2013 (UTC)




Recent edits

The quote by the Bentley executive shows the changing demographics of their customer base and who they are marketing to, if you think it seems promotional then you can reword it. In addition, the Maserati Ghibli deserves mention in the executive car section.Brimspark (talk) 13:51, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

NOTE: Due to the ongoing edit war, I have protected the article. Continual reverts of each other is disruptive and was going to result in blocks likely of all parties involved. During the duration of the page protection, please resolve the dispute. --- Barek (talk o contribs) - 16:51, 17 March 2014 (UTC)





Cadillac FF by 1997?

"Chrysler went 100% FF by 1990 and GM's Cadillac and Buick brands for the US were entirely FF by 1997." - Cadillac FF by 1997? There's the Catera... Or is that not considered luxury enough? Also, suppose it is a rebadged import.. Hmm. TheSapient (talk) 00:00, 25 March 2014 (UTC)




Lincoln and Buick

They ARE luxury cars. What do you mean "no"? Lincoln's MKZ starts at $37-38K. Buick's LaCrosse starts at $35K. Its Regal starts at over $30K. Destination is always included!!!! With the ultimate being Cadillac, of course. Chryslers aren't, because the 200, which competes with the Regal, costs as much as the Verano. A fully-loaded LaCrosse Premium I Group and the Regal GS AWD are legitimate BMW contenders. 166.137.191.28 (talk) 20:53, 27 March 2014 (UTC)




Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2014

99.229.103.103 (talk) 01:00, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

The Lexus ES is based on the Toyota Avalon but this page incorrectly states that it is based on the Toyota Camry (under Entry-level luxury cars).




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